archexteriors vol.1 prepared only for CINEMA 4d and vray

[rafa]

http://www.evermotion.org/shop_display_item.php?item=289

[glass.use]

niceeee that was fast!

the c4dvray version even look better..
c4d http://www.evermotion.org/comm/ae01forC4D/hires/001.jpg
max http://www.evermotion.org/comm/ae01/001.jpg

[prayas]

@glass.use And why is that? It looks better but i think this is to some better AA settings. Am i right here?

P..:

[glass.use]

imo the colors are better aa is better and shadows feels better. not aa shadow only. grass is kinda.

[hiro]

Heres my first Experience:

I opened Scene 1 set a path for saving and hit render.
the image size is set by default to 1200x804
The RAM goes to the Value of over 3 GB, than Cinema says Good bye!


The Scene is heavy, maybe its the trees and bushes, the grass is displaced, or it depends on the settings (BR and LC)

Fact is, i cannot render the scene as it comes.

I work with Windows XP, 2 Quad 2.4 GHZ, 2 GB RAM... a "normal" Renderstation.


http://s5.directupload.net/images/080508/4ab4g7eo.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

Somebody else with some Experiences?


EDIT:

I did a test without trees, bushes and gras. It works. RAM goes to nearly 2GB.

I added the Gras (Displ.) to the scene. It crashes.

[djflod]

hmmm ... all scenes render fine here ... infact there are really heavy .. but they all work.

Besides I´m not on win*koff* ;) ... using MacPro 2x3 GHz Quad-Core ... maybe there´s is the difference

[Tong]

evermotion always shoot to 10 with first shot, so they use superhigh settings, with big render time.

[hiro]

evermotion always shoot to 10 with first shot, so they use superhigh settings, with big render time.

yes the settings are realy high, for example they use for global subdiv. multiplyer under dmc sampler "2". you can reduce it to 1.

then, the greens needs a lot of Ram, the trees, the grass..

[pfx]

I just purchased the Evermotion Vol 1 tutorial series and am having the same trouble as Hiro with my machine crashing (similar spec to Hiro as well). I'm working through each of the scenes now and many just won't render. Scene 4 is rendering at the moment, so far taken over 17 hours and is just over half way through. Is this typical? Can this be improved?

[Tong]

Is this typical?
for Evermotion? yes :wink:

Can this be improved?
yes. needs to change: render settings, lights, materials.

[cuba]

I'm working on a quad core 3gb ram on vista and some scene crash.
Scene 9 just doesn't start rendering at all....

[Tong]

that because they used 64 bit version, there simple way to test, can it be rendered or not.

check override material
AA - to fixed
Vray System - Dynamic memory - 2800
GI - IR/LC:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5889/set1wg0.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6151/set2mu4.jpg

then try render

[pfx]

Thanks for looking into this Tong.
I have now got a render out for Scene 1 and it took 48 mins.
You can see the quality of the composition but the settings probably need to come back up a little.
I will attach a copy of the render so you can see the result.
So far I have tried to render about 6 out of the 10 scenes and only one - scene 6 has successfully rendered.
If we can't get this sorted easily I will ask Evermotion to supply a set of revised settings for 'normal' 32bit machines. What we have at the moment is not really workable.
I just can't see how to attach the pic to this post so I'll see if I can pm/email to you.
Thanks again for your help

[Tong]

use http://imageshack.us/

http://forum.vrayforc4d.com/viewtopic.php?t=987

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to long, i don`t get it you use settings above? then go to Render Settings and DMC Sampler:
Adaptive amount 0.85
Noise Threshold - 0.01
Global subdives mult - 1
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for example here 2 image,

1 - 4 min,

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6163/01kz5.jpg


2- 1 hour.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6782/02vg8.jpg

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I will ask Evermotion to supply a set of revised settings for 'normal' 32bit machines

you can try, but i think they don`t have normal settings ;-) only "outstanding" ;-)
any way try to contact at evermotion forum to http://www.evermotion.org/vbulletin/member.php?u=383858
he made this.

[Tong]

try to render without displacement.

[BerTiN03]

Hi Hiro, I had the same problem on many render before, so I decided to put 4 Go and use XP64 (I frequently use 2.5-3 Go ram for archwiz renders), and I'm waiting for the next update, to go on with 8 Go, and work with the 64bit version.

Evermotion models are quite wonderful, but high polys, that's clear.

You really should, in this case, use the Strat precalculated IR+LC method at halfsize, it can be an issue.

[pfx]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1530/archexteriors1001tongrejq3.jpg

This is the pic I rendered last night.
Only just getting used to uploading pics this way.
Regards
PFX

[pfx]

Well I have to ask....
As we know Tools4D also have training DVDs and a scenes DVD.
What seems to be the general consensus about them?
Will their scenes render as per their pics with normal spec computers or do you need a high-end 64 bit unit as per Evermotion .
I read elsewhere on this site that one new purchaser found that some of the scenes rendered too brightly but there were no further posts to indicate if/how he resolved this.
Do the scenes come with all the models and materials?
Are these DVDs worth buying?
PFX

[Tong]

first test of scene 1, settings changed to mine preview settings values.

memory use:
c4d without scene - 150 mb
scene loaded - 414 mb
scene rendering with override materials - 1450 mb

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2531/001yu9.jpg

if will be free time i will make in color, i`m a little "amazed" about they settings ;-)

[Tong]

http://www.evermotion.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=206059

crossposting ;-)

[hiro]

interesting thread.. thanks for the link. I think the evermtion team should change the settings to more popular machines... "i hope you have minium 4 GB RAM and a 64 bit System.." this should not be the minimum condition to render a normal scene. like stefan always said:" you can render every scene, just clean up your scene, and make good settings"

so for me, this is first dvd is just the beginning, they have to optimise the settings.

[Tong]

in colors with displacement on grass - 2.2 Gb of memory

personally i don`t like it, i forgot about sun blinds on top glass and need better AA, any other bugs of render critics welcome, it was just test for speedy, i make it a little bit lighter, i don`t like contrast images ;-)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8515/20745849nv4.jpg


interesting thread.. thanks for the link. I think the evermtion team should change the settings to more popular machines... "i hope you have minium 4 GB RAM and a 64 bit System.." this should not be the minimum condition to render a normal scene. like stefan always said:" you can render every scene, just clean up your scene, and make good settings" .

mine humble opinion that evermotion must understand one thing: cinema4d not 3dmax, i mean we have basically completely different product C4d+Vray=VrayC4D, it have much better options of use, deeper integration, why the don`t included different render setups to scenes? to show how one quaility of image can be done with diff GI systems? Why don`t show different time setups with one scene? why don`t show simple animation of day/night? etc.. they don`t need it? yes, but we need it, i think.

They just make copy paste to Cinema, it`s not bad, if you do it wisely.

So do you need to buy it? Yes and No: Yes, it`s great scenes, no it`s was maded in the hardest way of all other ways, people who bought it will be think they Vrayc4d is very slow, unflexible, unstable system - bad bad bad

imho :wink:

here the one opinion that i like:


I am relatively new and self-taught at architectural visualization. I bought ArchExteriors Vol. 1 hoping it would help. Even though it provides cool pointers such as scene set up and materials that can be used in other scenes, the DVD's do not actually "teach" you anything...you have to teach yourself!
I think Evermotion would hit the nail in the head by making a DVD of a complex exterior architectural scene and how to make it. I mean from basic modeling, to lighting, to applying materials, to render settings.
Archexteriors are great but they do not show you how to do such a scene. A DVD that goes step by step in how to make it would be great. It doesn't have to be an audible or video DVD, but the scenes with a PDF or Word document that explains (with screenshots) how to create the scene would be great.

So far so good when it comes to other stuff. Keep up the good work!

(c) leorobleto

[pfx]

Hi Tong,
Your scene looks pretty good and I see it rendered in a respectable 9m. Reading the link to the Evermotion thread you posted it seems that even they were having problems rendering some of their scenes. As you said they just did a transfer of scene from one 3D application to another and seem to have taken the shortest route possible to get a render out - probably using Max techniques and not paying attention to the specifics of the C4D integration. I will write soon to them and ask that they prepare an alternate configuration for rendering the scenes in C4D. We have paid good money for their expertise and they really have not delivered a satisfactory product - in this case.

However, in response to the other comments, I like their approach in providing a number of different lighting scenes. This is actually what I was looking for. There are a number of lighting tutorials around but they often just touch on one or two lighting scenarios. Going this route gets you in the lighting ballpark straight away and you can learn by tweaking the parameters from there.

With your scene here, could you suggest which parameters I should change to get something like what you have.
Thanks

PFX

[stefan]

hi, just for the record,
evermotion did all on 32bit machines, so the scenes must run on 32bit for all.

they tend to have very high settings also in max, so you can lower them of course to your needs....

cheers
stefan

[Tong]

last one test.
1.9 GB memory use,
changed some materials, grass is Hair...grass/hair even behind building, render setting higher then was before.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3349/59711952ai9.jpg

[artdude12]

Tong,
Can you do a render of this file with the current version of Vray (1.0876)
instead of the 64 bit 1.1 version?
Until 1.1 is released, it doesn't make sense to show the rest of us a render
that was done with the 1.1 beta.

Thanks

[Tong]

ok, but checked memory use in rendering, basicly i have only 3 gigs, so use of memory can`t be more then that, but with task manager shows - 2 gb for c4d when was LC calculation, when IR was making it`s only use 600 mb, and final picture rise to 900 mb, so the bigest ram use - Light Cache calculation.

[Tong]

i have Q, if i will made some setups for every scene and upload only mine stuff without evermotion objects and texture, so you can just copy/paste to it evers objects,

is that be legal?

[hiro]

that would be great tong!
maybe a question for the evermotion forum?

[pfx]

Hi Tong that would be a very generous service. Evermotion should be happy that you do this as it saves them the effort of providing revised scenes and it makes their product more attractive to other potential buyers as they can now render the scenes.