Snow Leopard | C4D | VrayforC4D

[photek]

Does the vray team know if 10.6 will have any big effects on C4D and vrayforC4D..?

10.6 is meant to be faster in a number of ways.. does anyone know if we can expect to see any real world speed increases...? Or will it be marginal?

(on a side note... I intend to render a scene before and after installation and post the results)

[stefan]

i assume it will be rather moderate advanatge, as vray already uses the full 64 bit features.
10.6 is mainly a lot faster in all areas where it is still 32bit bit in 10.5, like the finder, network, browsing etc.

it would be nice of osx would gain same speed as xp64. that would be like 5-10% speed gain. this small increase would be reasonable. but to early to say.

it also can also be that in memory intense task 10.6 will expand its advantage over windows (it already now has advantages in 64bit)

cheers
stefan

[doli11]

hy,

i did a test on os x 10.6 WWDC09 release (MacPro 2009 8*2.26 8GB Ram)

i used the Cinebench 10 szene (bike) all settings default :

C4d 11 64Bit / OS X 10.5.7 / Rendertime: 20sec
C4d 11 64Bit / OS X 10.6 Build 10a380 / Rendertime: 16sec

C4d 10.5 32Bit / OS X 10.5.7 / Rendertime: 44sec
C4d 10.5 32Bit / OS X 10.6 Build 10a380 / Rendertime: 47sec


But i have not done any vray testing

Thomas

[photek]

top man!

those results for 64bit are music to my ears :)

[stefan]

yep is a good sign.

i really guess a speed gain in 64bit. the chances are high osx10.6 is the better 64bit system(vista isnt)

cheers
stefan

[Fluffy]

yep is a good sign.

i really guess a speed gain in 64bit. the chances are high osx10.6 is the better 64bit system(vista isnt)

cheers
stefan
We'll have to compare OpenGL on both Snow leopard and Win7 for that claim :)
And by that, I don't mean only pure benchmark speed, but actual functionality for enhanced OpenGL.

But yes, it's very encouraging to see all these OS enhancements, no matter which one.

[stefan]

yes i read, that win 7 has t finally the same speed again as winxp sp3 :-))))

a really great success by microsoft to have the speed back again from their 8+ year old OS;-)

but truly, i never have thought how bad vista is, i sadly have it on my new macpro as i need to have windos too. and i can not believe how actually unusable vista is. its network performance is 25-50% of xp or osx. ogl (with newest drivers) is extremly bad. only rendering is still faster a bit on vista like in xp than in osx. so when win7 is out this is the first i will do, trash vista(it is the most sloppy OS i have ever seen or used).
then i can compare osx10.6 and win7.

cheers
stefan

[photek]

yes i read, that win 7 has t finally the same speed again as winxp sp3 :-))))

a really great success by microsoft to have the speed back again from their 8+ year old OS;-)


cheers
stefan

as a die hard Mac fan... that made me laugh out loud :)

but Win7 looks like it is going to be very good... and everything that Vista should have been.... lets see!

(10.6 is out on Friday by the way)

[Carl]

How about OpenCL and GCD?

[stefan]

open cl must have support from the application. so there will be not many around at the beginning.

but if you have seen the demos of vray RT from this years siggraph, vray RT works with openCL. it is in development.

cheers
stefan

[Fluffy]

yes i read, that win 7 has t finally the same speed again as winxp sp3 :-))))

a really great success by microsoft to have the speed back again from their 8+ year old OS;-)


cheers
stefan
as a die hard Mac fan... that made me laugh out loud :)
)
Actually, I think he was talking about speed back on the same old hardware, which is a most welcome improvement :)
I can't wait to try snow leopard, though, and see how these new optimisations work for us.

Stefan, I thought the new Vray RT engine was currently only working on Cuda, but that they were porting it to OpenCL.

[stefan]

the demo was actually cuda for getting out a fast demo, yes, but the real one is openCL which will be even faster as i understood it.

cheers
stefan

[Fluffy]

Cool :)

[Diegoto]

...But i have not done any vray testing

Thomas


I got Snow Leopard today and rendered (with Vray) a small scene in C4D 11 64 bits with OS X 10.5.7 and OS X 10.6

Sadly, the time was exactly same: 4m 12s :?

Regards,

Diego

[Fluffy]

Don't expect the times to go up right off the bat. The optimizations need to be supported by each software, independently.
So, don't despair.

[Diegoto]

Thanks for the comment Fluffy. I did the test just to keep track of improvements in relation to VrayforC4D. I wanted to know if Grand Central Dispatch (which optimizes multicore performance) made things a little different.

Cheers

[stefan]

in simple scenes that render only minutes you will see no better.

what we hope is better threading and memory things due to better 64 bit support. this will be most visible in heavy scenes.

the "grand central switch" is more a marketing thing, or at least limited to finder and things that where still old code and slow.

we will see if apple made important changes in the core as promised. as often it can also be that the real power will be more visible over next updates. the first incarnations of each osx where always a bit wonky. i would wait for 10.6.2 at least to really judge.

cheers
stefan

[Quad]

Following installation of Snow Leopard om my MacBook Pro (Unibody, 2.4, 4GB), VRAYforC4D seems to keep hanging on the Light Cache calculation of my animation after rendering 3-6 frames successfuly. The number of rendered frames varies. Note that this is an animation that was already rendering on the machine before the ugrade. Apart from the frame range, the C4D file was not changed. Is anyone else observing this behaviour ?

On the plus side: (virtual-) memory management seems to be improved in Snow Leopard according to the Activity Monitor. This does not seem to have an influence on the render speed however.

Regards, Steven

[stefan]

guys i would really NOT use osx 10.6 for production work yet.

it can be that things have to be updates for the new os. i can give no promise that vray will fully work( same as with any other osx app), as it was made for osx 10.5 with 10.5 xcode compilers.

we will have to test the code and see how it behaves.
also a version osx 10.6.0 can have many bugs. as with all new OS wait for a few minor updates that we will see fort sure from apple next weeks and months.

cheers
stefan

[Quad]

That's exactly why the Snow Leopard only roars on my notebook. One must satisfy ones curiosity though...

Cheers to you Stefan,
Steven

[blewis]

I have just installed Snow Leopard and am now getting cinema crashing on opening an already built Vray for Cinema scene. The file opens fine on another computer running leopard.

I can however start a new file from scratch... DOes anyone else have any issues like this?

[Diegoto]

Blewis,

What happens if you copy and paste on a new file. Does it work?

Cheers,

Diego

[blewis]

The file crashes on opening... which is weird as I have not even asked Vray to do anything yet. I have a cinema file with no Vray properties that has been working fine but from the time I open previous projects with Vray stuff in them the App crashes immediately with a bug report.

I also tried merging and the same result.
I am hoping that there is a simple update from Maxon or whatever that handles this.

[collywobbles]

Snow leapord has arrived in the office, is the general concensus to hold off for a while? curiosity may get the better of me, will it just be a simple update?

[stefan]

"is the general consensus to hold off for a while"

i would say yes. not only for vray but all.

i always wait when a new osx update is out at least until they release 1-2 service updates to fix the most urgent issues the .0 version always have.

best is to have one test computer where you install and test it a while.

cheers
stefan

[blewis]

I can tell you that Once I installed Snow Leopard on One of my machines we did experience file instability with V4C4D so far.

Also System wise, Snow actually is pretty much the same as Leopard from a 3D Cinema 4D view so waiting a month or so for the updates should be easier.

[collywobbles]

good to know, cheers

[masterzone]

I installed today Snowleopard on my Quad core mac pro machine...now I had continuos crash when opening a previous scene, I have to try if with or without vray change something..tomorrow morning I'll try...

Every time I had crash, remain trottle mouse with the C4D task open...impossible to kill it....but I can relaunch another C4D :shock: so today I was four C4D open and "parked" to the left interface impossible to kill...

I think that r11 is not compatibile with leopard...this is the last time I upgrade during a job...i'm very disappointed.

Alex

[photek]

for what its worth... I am using C4D & VrayforC4D with no problems...

I am not a power user... but I have had no crash's or bugs (so far)

[Diegoto]

Everything is fine here, also.

I do not want to upgrade to 10.6.1 yet, though. :wink:

[masterzone]

for what its worth... I am using C4D & VrayforC4D with no problems...

I am not a power user... but I have had no crash's or bugs (so far)

what kind of config are you using? C4D + OSX?

[photek]

for what its worth... I am using C4D & VrayforC4D with no problems...

I am not a power user... but I have had no crash's or bugs (so far)

what kind of config are you using? C4D + OSX?

Mac Pro 8 x 2.8ghz, 8GB RAM, OSX 10.6.1, C4D R11.027, VrayforC4D (latest version)

If anyone wants me to test scenes for them I am happy to test them and report back...

[masterzone]

it's seems the same machine of mine...
The problem is that I've problems with c4D native scene as well, not only with VrayforC4D scene. All OSX other softws work fine, I tried C4D 11.5 demo and all is going fine but I've to work on r.11027 :(

Tomorrow morning I'll try to turn off Vray to test if something chance...
ggggggrrrrrrr

[masterzone]

seems turn off "use Quicktime" in the preference panel give me a sweet breath...I'll give you some feedback if something going on better...

[blewis]

Great observation Masterzone! I had issues with Snow too...I wonder if ii.5's new quicktime support may fix that.

[masterzone]

mmm...today I had crash again....
Now I want to try to reinstall all ex-novo...
I'll give you some feedback after re-installation...

mz

[collywobbles]

works fine for me however on a side note, vectorworks is a big no no.... until November apparently

[Diegoto]

One thing I noticed: Info manager and "mark missing textures" is working perfect. The speed improved in more than a 1:20 ratio for me!

[masterzone]

Read it....

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/506/cpsid_50654.html

Find it! here is the problem

and this is what maxon said to me:

the fileselector that causes the crash is not a part of CINEMA 4D itself, but part of the MacOS.
Remember it looks and behaves completely different on Windows. This fileselector is connected
with Adobe products if the program that is affected can exchange Adobe fileformats.
CINEMA 4D definitely is a good candidate to show this behaviour.

Yaho! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Stephane]

Thanks for that info masterzone. Very interesting!

I've put up upgrading to Snow leopard because of the warnings in this thread, but I'm starting loose my patience. ;-)

Can anyone say if opening files by double clicking them in Finder works trouble free?

Also, does opening files through "Recent Files", in C4D, work?

Cheers,
Stéphane

[masterzone]

upgrade:

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=10329488#10329488

Try this:

FIXED IT!
And it's easier than I guessed. I'm ecstatic. After heaps of tests and trials I worked out what the system was trying to do and solve it. Anyone that's getting crashes whenever the system tries to save or open docs should try this:

-1. Start by opening System Preferences
-2. Select 'Sharing' from the Internet & Wireless section
-3. From the list on the left choose 'File Sharing' and turn it off.
-4. Delete anything listed in the Shared Folders section
-5. Turn File Sharing back on
-6. Log out, then Log back in
-7. Done!!

I'm saving and loading like a crazy person now. No thanks to Apple or Adobe for this fix.

Mr Pi

[masterzone]

If you double click on file don't give you a app crash...only with save and open dialog...

Now I try this solution and I'll write here again if it works :)